By Matthew Russell Lee, Patreon Podcast
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SDNY COURTHOUSE, July 15 – In SEC v. Ripple Labs Inc. et al., a discovery hearing was held on April 30 before U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York Magistrate Judge Netburn. Inner City Press live tweeted it, see below, then put underlying emails on Patreon here.
On May 21, after an SEC submission now on Patreon here, podcast here, Judge Netburn held another conference, this time on whether the SEC can get access to legal advise to Ripple. Inner City Press fought to cover it and did, live tweeting it here and below.
On July 8, the SEC asked Magistrate Judge Netburn to quash Ripple's subpoena to depose William H. Hinman, former director of the SEC's Division of Corporate Finance. Inner City Press previously filmed pro-XRP picket on Lexington Avenue on this topic, and published the SEC's opposition on Patreon, here.
On July 15 Judge Netburn held an oral argument, below, and ruled that Hinman must sit for the deposition, given the public interest. But it may be delayed a week. Here is Inner City Press' thread: (and now pocast here)
Judge Netburn: I have before me the subpoena seek to depose former SEC official Hinman, and the SEC application to quash. SEC? SEC's lawyer: If official have to testify, years after, it would have a chilling effect.
SEC lawyer: Let me cite again your Honor's decision in the 9/11 case. From Page 14 of your decision, you raised the issue of repetition and [wait for it] ripple effect. The burden on Ripple here is high, and they have not met it. Any questions? Judge Netburn: Yes
Judge Netburn: Let's talk about his 2018 speech. The next prong of the analysis is how is the government defining the speech. He stated these were his own views... So how would answering questions interfere with the deliberative process of the SEC?
SEC lawyer Ladan Stewart: A speech is a speech, it's on the SEC's website. There is no tension. Director Hinman consulted with others in the SEC about the speech. It was all pre-decisional...
Judge Netburn: So what was the decision made? SEC lawyer: There doesn't have to be a decision made. We found another case, not in our letter: it's Nacchio, 2009 Westlaw 211511, Dist of Colorado, Jan 29, 2009. [If it's an SEC case, how could they not have "found" it?]
Judge Netburn: For what proposition are you citing the Nacchio case? SEC lawyer: That Mr. Hinman falls under deliberative process privilege. Judge Netburn: Would the privilege be invoked if Mr. Hinman were asked, Why do YOU think xyz? SEC: Yes.
Ripple's lawyer: Mr. Hinman was trying to provide guidance -- Judge Netburn: Why do you say that? Ripple's lawyer: The SEC held it out to Congress as such. Then the agency points to the speech, it shows the speech was meant to provide guidance.
Judge Netburn: But if the speech reflects agency guidance, isn't the process that led up to it covered by the deliberative process privilege? Ripple's lawyer: We want to establish, with the deposition, if this WAS the policy of the SEC.
Ripple's lawyer: Mr. Hinman was never at the apex of the agency. The SEC is 4,200 employees. Mr. Hinman's department was much smaller. Between March 2018 and March 2019 he had a number of communications giving guidance. Ripple's lawyer: He was being asked, Is it an investment contract under Howey. Mr. Hinman met with the founder of the Ethereum Foundation... And of Consensus, a leading software developer for Ether.
Ripple's lawyer: We don't know who all the 3d parties he met with are. We want to ask him. Judge Netburn: Mr. Rapawy, if you were asking me to depose him for a list of who he met with, I'd direct you to his chief of staff or deputy. You could get his calendar
Ripple's lawyer: It's going to be hotly contested, we need everything we can get. And even if the speech were the decision, we could still do discovery about things after the speech. Let us do the deposition, then brief it afterward.
Ripple's lawyer: In unique cases, you do sometime get depositions of senior officials, like in the Judge Furman case, the Secretary of Commerce.... Martin Flemenbaum for Christian Larsen: We must be able to him about his other public remarks.
Judge Netburn: If I allow the deposition to go forward, it's Monday? Flumenbaum: The Defendants are prepared. SEC: We'd need time to evaluate. [Meaning, appeal?] SEC: They want to depose him twice - he declines to answer some, then they bring the transcript to you
Judge Netburn: In Nacchio, the deposition in fact happened... Defense: Mr. Hinman met with Ether a week before the speech. This is not covered by the privilege. SEC lawyer: If it goes forward, we'll be instructing not to answer the questions on privileged info
Rapawy: We don't agree to push this back. It should be possible to avoid 2 depositions, if invocations of privilege are reasonable. Matthew Solomon for Bradley Garlinghouse: My client will be sitting for a deposition during this discovery period. No more delay
Judge Netburn: The issues are complicated. I am going to rule in part. I am prepared to find Mr. Hinman was a high ranking official. He is entitled to the standard in the Lederman case, 731 F. 3d 199.
Judge Netburn: I find that this case is unique, and that the amount in controversy is substantial. And the public's interest is significant. In this case, Mr. Hinman must sit for the deposition. I am going to authorize it.
Judge Netburn: It seems to me to put it off for a week and think about how the privilege will apply is a good idea. Let me know. SEC: That makes sense to us. We will meet and confer and get back to the court. Ripple's lawyer: Will confer
Judge Netburn: Let me know by tomorrow afternoon, if deposition is Monday or a brief postponement, you could bring the issues of privilege to me. I will wait to hear back.
On June 14, Judge Netburn agreed to sign and issue letters for request for the individual defendants, Bradley Garlinghouse and Christian A. Larsen, to iFinex, Bitforex, Bitrue Singapore, Coinbene Ltd Vanuatu, Coinone Co., Upbit and others. Full request letter on Patreon here.
Now on June 15, the letters have been picked up, and we learn that they will be going to the Central Authorities of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Cayman Islands, the British Virgin Islands, the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of China, the Republic of Singapore, the Republic of Seychelles, the Republic of Korea, and the Republic of Malta.
The filing: "LETTERS ROGATORY ISSUED on June 15, 2021, and picked up by Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton LLP and to be served in the Central Authorities of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Cayman Islands, the British Virgin Islands, the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of China, the Republic of Singapore, the Republic of Seychelles, the Republic of Korea, and the Republic of Malta.(km)"
On June 2, the SEC asked for a 60 day extension of time for discovery. Full 7-page letter on Patreon here.
On June 4, Ripple wrote to Judge Analisa Torres that they oppose any extension and will put in more paper next week. Watch this site.
On Memorial Day weekend, Judge Netburn issued a 9-page order denying the SEC's request, without prejudice to it being renewed, full order on Patreon here: "OPINION & ORDER re: [165] LETTER MOTION for Local Rule 37.2 Conference addressed to Magistrate Judge Sarah Netburn from Jorge G. Tenreiro dated May 7, 2021, filed by Securities and Exchange Commission, [166] LETTER MOTION for Local Rule 37.2 Conference addressed to Magistrate Judge Sarah Netburn from Jorge G. Tenreiro dated May 7, 2021, filed by Securities and Exchange Commission. The SEC's motion is DENIED. If, at some later date, Ripple raises its good faith beliefs or relies upon its privileged communications in support of its fair notice defense, the Plaintiff may renew its application to the Court. Respectfully, the Clerk of Court is directed to deny the motions at ECF Nos. 165 and 166. (Signed by Magistrate Judge Sarah Netburn on 5/30/2021)."
Inner City Press will stay on this.
The case is Securities and Exchange Commission v. Ripple Labs Inc. et al., 20-cv-10832 (Torres / Netburn)
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